issue with Ebay seller

beaky41 · 11-09-2006, 07:39 PM

I'm looking through Ebay and saw add for slotted rotors and the picture was of generic non slotted rotor so I emailed him to ask to see photo of proper rotor. He obliged and now has correct photo on his add. Now the issue is he advertises these as suiting Au 1998 on but the specs (thickness) of rotor only suit Au not AUII or AUIII. see
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/501-gold-slot...QQcmdZViewItem
and the next listing is for the fronts

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/500-gold-slot...QQcmdZViewItem

Do I keep after him til he gets it right? or am I wrong with my facts?

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HOTC2R · 11-09-2006, 07:47 PM

I saw this one and thought the same. Keep pushing or politely ask him for more info.

JC · 11-09-2006, 08:46 PM

Technically, his ad is correct. 501s (rear) and 500s(front) fit AU, which is 1998 onwards. AU2/3 got 503 (r) & 502 (f). Then there are the 506s, 507s, 42102s etc for the bigger brake packages to suit AUs (and some BAs). I'm sure if you want a price for the AU2 equivalent, the difference wouldn't be much, just make sure you get the 502/503 (back/front).

Also, they are a very good price, but quality is unkown - never heard of UPC, but who's to say they're not as good as RDA or DBA. I would ask if they are ADR compliant, or even if they've been certified or pass Australian Standards. If they do either, then at the price they are certainly worth trying.

As a price comparison, I got a set of RDA 503s for the back of our wagon for $200 including delivery from Melb to Canberra. The DBAs on the front cost $270 a pair from a local supplier. So $130 odd for straight slotteds is cheap.

beaky41 · 11-09-2006, 09:15 PM

thanks JC thats why I didnt want to go off half cocked but it still misleading that someone with an auII may think its good value and buy them. I'm sure the seller is Ok but it may cost someone extra postage to correct it.

EvilChief · 11-09-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Technically, his ad is correct. 501s (rear) and 500s(front) fit AU, which is 1998 onwards. AU2/3 got 503 (r) & 502 (f). Then there are the 506s, 507s, 42102s etc for the bigger brake packages to suit AUs (and some BAs). I'm sure if you want a price for the AU2 equivalent, the difference wouldn't be much, just make sure you get the 502/503 (back/front).

Also, they are a very good price, but quality is unkown - never heard of UPC, but who's to say they're not as good as RDA or DBA. I would ask if they are ADR compliant, or even if they've been certified or pass Australian Standards. If they do either, then at the price they are certainly worth trying.

As a price comparison, I got a set of RDA 503s for the back of our wagon for $200 including delivery from Melb to Canberra. The DBAs on the front cost $270 a pair from a local supplier. So $130 odd for straight slotteds is cheap.

the most significant difference between AU1 and AU2/3 rotors is the 5mm in overall height of the rotor which determines where the caliper sits, which is the main difference between S1 and S2/3. on a personal note a 5mm difference in rotor offset is a fair differnce and there is a good reason why dba and rda have released two different types of rotors.

AU 1998 - 3/00
Front
Part# 500
Diamter: 287
Height: 70
Thickness24

Rear
Part# 501
Diameter: 287
Height: 51.5
Thickness10.5

AU II, AU III
Front
Part# 502
Diameter: 287
Height: 65
Thickness: 28

Rear
Part# 503
Diameter: 287
Height: 51
Thickness: 16

I cannot comment on prices as i am a reseller.

JC · 11-09-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilChief

I cannot comment on prices as i am a reseller.

Really, you can. We promise not to tell anyone. :-)

beaky41 · 11-09-2006, 09:45 PM

thanks EvilChief - youve taught me something I did not know. excellent. now what would be the issues of putting Au rotor on an auII - say the fronts which seem to be the biggest difference

JC · 11-09-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by beaky41

thanks EvilChief - youve taught me something I did not know. excellent. now what would be the issues of putting Au rotor on an auII - say the fronts which seem to be the biggest difference

They're all different, and won't fit inside the calipers. ie your brakes wouldn't work. Not an issue unless you really want to stop at some stage.

beaky41 · 11-09-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

They're all different, and won't fit inside the calipers. ie your brakes wouldn't work. Not an issue unless you really want to stop at some stage.

So we come full circle - The only reason I would not have bought these is that through this forum I have learnt many things. However if I was a novice or had little or no mechanical knowledge and owned an AuII would I have bought these? - probably yes. Now I try to fit them and they dont fit. I send them back and pay another $30 postage - perhaps (i dont know ) I have to pay postage both ways -- theyre not so cheap now. Morally I think I should ask him to alter his adv. not for me or you but some poor kid who may spend his last dollar on them (wheres Bucky -- they're gold would look good with Black)

JC · 11-09-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by beaky41

So we come full circle - The only reason I would not have bought these is that through this forum I have learnt many things. However if I was a novice or had little or no mechanical knowledge and owned an AuII would I have bought these? - probably yes. Now I try to fit them and they dont fit. I send them back and pay another $30 postage - perhaps (i dont know ) I have to pay postage both ways -- theyre not so cheap now. Morally I think I should ask him to alter his adv. not for me or you but some poor kid who may spend his last dollar on them (wheres Bucky -- they're gold would look good with Black)

Sounds like a good idea.

beaky41 · 11-09-2006, 10:42 PM

ok Ive done it

JC · 12-09-2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by beaky41

ok Ive done it

Good job. I've done things like that before. Like V8 leads advertised for an AU, but they were clearly off a dizzy model (like EL). The guy withdrew the ad, changed it and relisted - still had AU in it, but he added EL too! You can't win sometimes.

EvilChief · 12-09-2006, 01:05 AM

the 5 mm diff mean the actual position of the caliper is about 5mm further towards the outside of the car. i guess technically it may bolt in, and may operate due to the caliper movement tolerances, but i would never ever risk that, once the pads wears down u may pop the piston out.

jc: iam not a registered sponsor with this forum yet, hence i cannot advertise my products or prices public, feel free to pm me instead

beaky41 · 12-09-2006, 12:55 PM

ok got this reply and I suppose if they do as they say it would be ok

good morning
the 502/503's are the same buy now price for front and rears $129 pair or curved $149.50 pair
the AU auction you were talking about on the 500's was copied word for word from our catalogue and i see DBA have the same info in there catalogue so i'm a bit reluctant to change it even though you are correct.
we'll normally check chassis no.s and years with the customer before sending any rotors as a precaution.

cheers
lorry

interesting he mentions dba catalogue