FIRST TIME Wet Belt Replacement on a Ford 2.0 RANGER

[jpd80]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_wSn5ZLWCc&t=605s


Wow, a lot of work to get to the belt, did Ford make this deliberately hard?

Apparently, if you don’t replace the timing belt and water pump, they
can and do let go like time bombs, same problem in EU 2.0 Transit vans.

[Franco Cozzo]

Bring on EVs, no more of this shit.

Its good to see young players wearing gloves though,

Back in my day you didn't wear gloves because 'real men', now we all have very sensitive skin and chemical induced dermatitis

[jpd80]

The only 3.0 Powerstroke Timing belt replacement video I could find was on an F150
so maybe some pipes and hoses are different but looks a bit easier than the 2.0 diesel.

https://youtu.be/QeytfYbGmTw?si=s8JsO6YNYdEJdAWJ

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Bring on EVs, no more of this shit.

Its good to see young players wearing gloves though,

Back in my day you didn't wear gloves because 'real men', now we all have very sensitive skin and chemical induced dermatitis

It’s a double whammy.
Most of these Legacy manufacturers who’ve failed at EVs are releasing limited life shitbox engines that will turn away repeat buyers and raise a question mark over resale values.
The Chinese who are flooding markets with EVs will be watching on and rubbing their hands as they appeal to buyers who’ve been burned with premature failures from cost cutting/lack of R&D/adherence to emissions and fuel economy standards.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smoo

It’s a double whammy.
Most of these Legacy manufacturers who’ve failed at EVs are releasing limited life shitbox engines that will turn away repeat buyers and raise a question mark over resale values.
The Chinese who are flooding markets with EVs will be watching on and rubbing their hands as they appeal to buyers who’ve been burned with premature failures from cost cutting/lack of R&D/adherence to emissions and fuel economy standards.

Saw an MG4 today on the road, at $35K it's a decent priced option,

EVs are reaching pleb level affordability at the bottom end,

I understand why Ford went for a timing belt setup - to reduce NVH over a chain (or gears)

However, it's a diesel engine in a body on frame vehicle, if you're worried about a little bit of NVH that a timing chain brings, you're in the wrong class of vehicle.

I feel like I'd be happy to trade off more NVH in return for something more robust, its a commercial vehicle after-all.

My Fiesta ST just went in for its first timing belt replacement, that's 250,000km intervals on its replacement.

Its a normal belt though, not sure how this 'wet belt' idea supposed to give it a longer service life when they're shitting the bed at 130,000km-odd and people recommending replacement earlier than later, should have just stuck with a normal timing belt setup if they must, its worked fine for decades.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Saw an MG4 today on the road, at $35K it's a decent priced option,

EVs are reaching pleb level affordability at the bottom end,

I understand why Ford went for a timing belt setup - to reduce NVH over a chain (or gears)

However, it's a diesel engine in a body on frame vehicle, if you're worried about a little bit of NVH that a timing chain brings, you're in the wrong class of vehicle.

I feel like I'd be happy to trade off more NVH in return for something more robust, its a commercial vehicle after-all.

My Fiesta ST just went in for its first timing belt replacement, that's 250,000km intervals on its replacement.

Its a normal belt though, not sure how this 'wet belt' idea supposed to give it a longer service life when they're shitting the bed at 130,000km-odd and people recommending replacement earlier than later, should have just stuck with a normal timing belt setup if they must, its worked fine for decades.

Is that the reason they’ve given for using a belt? Seems like clutching at straws. Or a smoke screen for saving on costs at the expense of durability (once it’s out of warranty)…

We have those gloves at work, quite good and they work on touch screens, phones etc.
Although can only wear them for short periods in the heat otherwise my hands are sweating harder than Allan Jones loitering outside the under 17s rugby team changing room.

Wondering if premature change out of the belt would negate the need to remove sump and replace pick up, or at least defer to every second or third belt. Looks like quite a bit of extra work.

[jpd80]

Another one coming our way, the introduction of low sulfur fuel diesel and how it can wreck high pressure pumps.
This is a Range Rover 3.0 V6 but basically similar to the 3.0 Powerstroke in Ranger and Everest, a good watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjGj3IPT2Bg

[Toiler]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Another one coming our way, the introduction of low sulfur fuel diesel and how it can wreck high pressure pumps.
This is a Range Rover 3.0 V6 but basically similar to the 3.0 Powerstroke in Ranger and Everest, a good watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjGj3IPT2Bg

When I had a Touareg TDI I researched lubricity levels of Aussie diesel and compared it to the minimum levels that the Bosch high pressure fuel pump required . . . little margin for error in the fuel. I have used lubricity increasing additives ever since for the Terry to add a lubricity safety margin.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Toiler

When I had a Touareg TDI I researched lubricity levels of Aussie diesel and compared it to the minimum levels that the Bosch high pressure fuel pump required . . . little margin for error in the fuel. I have used lubricity increasing additives ever since for the Terry to add a lubricity safety margin.

Correct, the USA has lower sulphur levels in the diesel and in the link, the Land Rover owner
says he was using fuel conditioner and such but still the HP pump failed.

I’m just wondering if the high and low pressure pumps now become limited life parts
so they get replaced before failure occurs….maybe the same time as timing belts
Oli pump and water pump…..cleaning out metal fragments from fuel system and new injectors
doesn’t sound like much fun, I think that’s where the bigger $$$$$ start happening.

[PooDog]

I thought the Navaras were bad having a single row timing chain instead of a double and a hollow camshaft starting off self destruction when they let go

High boost = extreme combustion chamber pressure, factor in the load of having 3.5 tone up your bum, then piecing it all together with a rubber band

Rest easy Toyota, Fords coming after your reliability /resale like this

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Correct, the USA has lower sulphur levels in the diesel and in the link, the Land Rover owner
says he was using fuel conditioner and such but still the HP pump failed.

I’m just wondering if the high and low pressure pumps now become limited life parts
so they get replaced before failure occurs….maybe the same time as timing belts
Oli pump and water pump…..cleaning out metal fragments from fuel system and new injectors
doesn’t sound like much fun, I think that’s where the bigger $$$$$ start happening.

Should do water pump anyway when in there doing timing belt, because you've got everything in there in pieces to do the timing belt.

With these fragile modern diesel engines makes sense to include low and high pressure fuel pumps in a major service interval I reckon,

[swamp]

hi
I luv my Pj Pk

1.5 hr to do a timing belt/tensioners and water pump
gates belt ,, Gmb w/p
parts 220$
vs
wet belt 1500-1800 $ parts & labour

Its no wonder why mechanics hate engineers

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by swamp

hi
I luv my Pj Pk

1.5 hr to do a timing belt/tensioners and water pump
gates belt ,, Gmb w/p
parts 220$
vs
wet belt 1500-1800 $ parts & labour

Its no wonder why mechanics hate engineers

hi I luv my PX, no timing belts at all.

[swamp]

hi
oh but wait random oil pump failure in a PX. Surprise surprise your pulling the drive chain anyways , engine out or cut the suspension welds for access to oil pump .
Curiosity is the h/duty pump made by Ford . Egg on there face either way .

But wait no Ford owner ever gets away fault free . Awaiting for my dual mass clutch to randomly fail lol