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05-09-2014, 12:14 PM | #1 | |||
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05-09-2014, 12:32 PM | #2 | ||
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We all know that Speed Cameras are nothing more than Revenue Raising. for the State and Federal Governments.
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05-09-2014, 04:21 PM | #3 | ||
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Let's not confuse police interaction with the public with the blatant, automated, privatised hidden technology that are speed cameras.
Even police hate the private operators...it does them out of justifying their head count. |
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05-09-2014, 06:11 PM | #4 | ||
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The truth about speed cameras : They catch people who speed, speeding. The end.
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05-09-2014, 06:25 PM | #5 | |||
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I also like how the officer won't admit to a 'quota' but does admit they have 'benchmarks'. Call me cynical but I read that to be the same fricken thing and also he is referring to highway patrols, what about regular traffic cops? |
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05-09-2014, 06:46 PM | #6 | ||
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No win thread.. Every single time they end in tears.
No doubt will end with the usual wowser comments along the usual lines of... "If you don't speed who you won't get pinged"
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05-09-2014, 07:56 PM | #7 | ||
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I challenge any government to turn off all speed cameras for 12 months and prove it has had an impact on accident rates and the road toll... truth is, the number of bingles will probably reduce!
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05-09-2014, 08:39 PM | #10 | |||
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I just drove 450km today coming home from holidays and could have handed out 20 tickets, and probably gave out 30 warnings without even trying. If you read the article above in mentions 'traffic contacts' bench mark, not fines issued bench marks, ie conducting 100 stationary RBT's, or stopping 20 vehicles per shift might be one of those bench marks. By the way highway officers are regular traffic cops, they are one and the same. There are a lot of specialised fields in the police, 80% probably have not issued a ticket in the last 5 years. Highway/traffic/road enforcement etc what ever you want to call them is one such branch who's core responsibility it is to 'reduce road trauma' By the way the heading of this thread says "The Truth About Speed Cameras" then does not mention anything about speed camaeras and goes to explain how police radar equipment works, again two very diffenrt and unrelated things.
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05-09-2014, 10:04 PM | #13 | ||
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There is a quota in Qld. I don't care who want's to deny it but I have heard it direct from the horses mouth. And before any of you "don't speed and you won't get caught" dweebs ask who told me ... get a life.
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09-09-2014, 12:54 PM | #15 | ||
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Unrelated but related I heard Duncan Gaye on radio this morning, they asked why there is a 250% increase in fines revenue..."drivers are getting worse" was his answer.
An increase in radars / cameras et al. probably has nothing to do with it. Interesting to hear that 80% of "safety" camera fines are for redlight infringments. Hard to get speeding fines in Sydney as you only get to about 30kph in most cases. I got done on a redlight camera just a few months back...I notice in peak hour on one of the intersection I frequent to phasing is very short, so it only lets 2 or 3 cars though at a time. I see people get caught every day at the intersection. The phasing is designed to catch you out, drivers dont expect to be green for only 5 seconds. |
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09-09-2014, 02:24 PM | #16 | |||
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09-09-2014, 07:43 PM | #17 | ||
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Dont speed.....Wont get caught! So dont give them your hard earned doh either!
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09-09-2014, 08:03 PM | #18 | |||
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I speak of Stockton ave and newbridge rd chipping Norton.
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09-09-2014, 08:04 PM | #19 | |||
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In the above scenario I don't consider that the guy scooting through traffic but getting caught by a red is likely to kill someone.... considering the other light would not even be green yet. There should be a 4 or 5 second grace in these conditions buy hey red light camera revenue would all but disappear as I doubt there are many people going through a full on red light. Short phasing is designed to create revenue pure and simple. |
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09-09-2014, 08:10 PM | #20 | ||
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Need I say more??? I don't think so, I think you have said it all yourself Quote:
As far as I know phasing of orange to red is dependant on the prevailing speed limit, it would be interesting to see the facts about this statement made without any evidence to back it up. I drove through that intersection for five years almost daily and never noted any short changing, and was well aware of the camera and prevailing speed limit.
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10-09-2014, 12:26 AM | #22 | ||
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Yes quotas were deffinately introduced just a few months ago in qld.
So if they admit they can be up to 2 or3 ks out.......and every car brand has a different speed at 100klm for eg(most car tests report a indicated speed at 100klms).......then how on earth can they book anyone unless they're at least 5 over the limit. There seems too much variation to be so nasty on the numbers! Where I am I've heard many times of them pinning people in school zones for being ONE k over. |
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10-09-2014, 12:38 AM | #23 | ||
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Mr 351 Coupe, honest question, not trolling, and sorry for the slight off topic, but as you correctly pointed out the original article was a bit of a mess anyway.
If you were crossing the road, perhaps with kids or in some scenario in which you were vulnerable and relied upon an oncoming motorist to stop suddenly, would you prefer to take your chances on someone doing say 68km/hr and watching dead ahead the whole time, or someone doing bang on 60, but checking their speedo frequently for fear of getting a fine, or if they believe the road safety messages to avoid hurting someone? A loaded question I know, but as a cop you are likely to have quoted the stopping distance argument that I have heard just before receiving a ticket. Stopping distance is the combination of reaction time and then the pure physics of inertia vs friction. I of course accept that every k over increases the mechanical stopping distance, but is a tipping point reached where motorists are in aggregate too obsessed ( or more accurately scarred) to look up from their speedo for fear of going over the limit by even a km or 2 and then dramatically increasing their potential reaction time? I guess I mean is 100% attention at 70km/hr better or worse than 80% attention at 60km/hr? I'd love to know if any research is done on this, but over the years it feels like motorists are slowing down, but becoming less and less aware of what is going on. I think we are all safer for having reduced the number of people who are flying too low, rather than driving too fast, but has the speeding thing gone too far? |
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10-09-2014, 12:43 AM | #24 | ||
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If you don't know that the new SUV sitting on the side of the road is a speed camera than you deserve to be booked.
By now everyone knows where all the speed cameras are on the ring road too, under the signs or bridges heh. Theres a reason why there is a CCTV camera pointing directly at the variable speed sign before you go under the bridge. |
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10-09-2014, 08:50 AM | #25 | |||
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Read the post again (maybe dop it slower), obviously two different intersections I'm talking about. |
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10-09-2014, 09:51 AM | #26 | ||
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speeding is the cause of less than 7% of accidents and that includes when people are going under the speed limit but still too fast for the conditions. http://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/__data/***..._Book_2011.pdf
just maybe, and this is a bit of a reach, focus on the other 93+% of causes. If speed cameras cause people to slow down, how come speed camera revenue increases each year . But the RTA billboard says car accidents have reduced XX% since speed cameras were introduced - Go back to school moron, correlation doesn't = causation. I guess the fact that cars have abs, sbc, tc, better tires, better suspension, crash avoidance systems have nothing to do with the decrease - it all speed cameras right. but all the speeding fines get spent on road improvements and road safety. - Yep, so as the govt i deduct $xxx million from the road budget and replace it with $XX from fine revenue. So yes, technically it does go to road safety but the govt also just got a bucket load more money to spend on new parliamentary offices. I gave up and moved to the country. no speed cameras, drive to conditions and when the HWY patrol are about doing their revenue raising we dont just flash other drivers, we call our neighbour to warn them. If some one is driving dangerously, we talk to them about it and they stop driving like a jerk |
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10-09-2014, 01:47 PM | #27 | |||
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Just this weekend I was driving up to Shepparton and sitting on the Goldburn I have this car that must have been doing 1kph faster then me and goes to overtake (two lane HWY part). So 2 minutes later they start to get into my blind spot and I'm getting closer to the car in front of me and need to overtake them. I get past the car in front (had plenty of room to do it as I hit the gas and heaven forbid I was 10kph over the limit for a whole 20 seconds). Now a little further down the road the same car catches up and starts to do this over take thing again. BTW I had CC so my speed wasn't varying. But this slow overtake thing happens more and more because people don't wanna be pinched by the HP cops.
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10-09-2014, 01:59 PM | #28 | ||
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Here we go...(apologies for the long article)
Accompanying 7 news story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMyxWf78uyU#t=10 VICTORIA Police will launch its longest and biggest ever traffic blitz. (heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/victoria-police-launch-biggest-ever-fourmonth-traffic-blitz-on-speeding-drunk-and-drug-drivers/story-fni0fee2-1227051742918) It will involve roads being saturated day and night with mobile speed cameras, radar guns, booze and drug buses and every available marked and unmarked police car and motorcycle. The Herald Sun has been told the footy finals, Spring Racing Carnival and Phillip Island MotoGP will be singled out for special attention during the force’s unprecedented four month “mega blitz”. Top traffic cop assistant commissioner Robert Hill said the mega blitz finale will be a mammoth operation during the notoriously dangerous Christmas holiday period. He revealed radical tactics during the 114 day blitz will include what police have dubbed “lockdowns”. These lockdown operations will see every motorist driving out of Melbourne, or across the suburbs, having to pass — and possibly be stopped by — a police vehicle or drug or booze bus either on the freeway system or on the roads leading to freeways and major arterial roads. Police Minister Kim Wells told the Herald Sun funding had been provided to enable mobile speed cameras to be used for an extra 1000 hours between now and the end of the year. Nights on which office Christmas parties are traditionally held will also be a major focus, with police blitzing pedestrians and drivers. A special operation known as “Bigwheels” will focus on speeding, drug and other offences being committed by truck drivers in rural Victoria. The aim of the mega blitz is to beat last year’s record low road toll. It has been ordered because more people have died on the state’s roads so far this year than at the same time last year and police fear that upward trend will continue unless drastic action is taken. On Tuesday, Mr Hill will use a use a joint press conference with Mr Wells to vow to use all available resources from across the force to keep as many Victorians as possible alive during the last few months of 2014. He confidentially predicted more motorists would be subjected to alcohol breath tests and random roadside drug tests in the next four months than at any other time in the state’s history. “I make no apologies for the intended blitz,” Mr Hill told the Herald Sun. “The 2013 road toll of 242 deaths was 40 less than 2012 and the lowest since 1924. “Victoria’s road toll is now 12 more than at the same time last year. “This four month blitz is to try to reverse that trend and get the state’s road toll below 242 by the end of 2014. “Road users will see a significant and highly visible presence on our roads by police members between now and December 31.” Mr Wells said the additional 1000 hours of mobile speed camera use would cover big events like the AFL finals and the Spring Racing Carnival. “Ad campaigns will also run throughout this period, reminding people how one simple mistake can change your life,” Mr Wells told the Herald Sun. “This is all backed up by last week’s announcement of $4.5 million to be spent on 100,000 roadside drug driver tests, which more than doubles the annual amount. “While every death on our roads is a tragedy, this year we have also lost three children under the age of four. “People need to think about their own kids before they take the wheel after drinking or taking drugs. People need to think about their own kids when they decide to speed.” Mr Hill said Victoria Police’s futuristic new traffic cameras will be in regular use during the blitz, which starts today. Operators of these “supercams” can zoom in to snap motorists who aren’t wearing seatbelts or who are using mobile phones to text, talk or tweet. Maximum use will also be made between now and the end of the year of the force’s six hi-tech BlueNet vehicles, which are fitted with automatic numberplate recognition systems. Cameras mounted on the front, rear and roof of the BlueNet cars rapidly scan every moving, stationary and parked vehicle they pass, detecting unregistered or stolen cars and identifying owners with outstanding fines. Mr Hill said he called an extraordinary meeting last month between him and senior executives at the Transport Accident Commission, VicRoads and the Department of Justice to discuss the growing road toll. “We needed to do something because I wasn’t going to just allow the road toll to continue to climb,” he said. “It was decided the most effective way to deliver another record low road toll in 2014 was through a combination of enhanced enforcement and education, aimed at raising awareness of everyone’s road safety responsibilities.” Mr Hill said the TAC had agreed to help fund 43 specific operations between now and the end of the year. “Having 43 road policing operations over and above our usual year-round, day-to-day enforcement methods is unprecedented,” Mr Hill said. “These new and targeted operations will run across the state, covering areas from metropolitan Melbourne up to Mildura, Horsham, Echuca and across to Latrobe.” Seven of Victoria’s 54 police service areas have also been identified through road accident data as being particularly bad for crashes which cause serious injuries or fatalities. Mr Hill said funding had been set aside to ensure the four-month blitz was extended in those seven areas right through to the end of June next year. The areas to be subjected to this extended blitz are Melbourne, Geelong, Monash, Yarra Ranges, Casey, Mornington Peninsula and Greater Dandenong. “These seven areas have been singled out because, effectively, the statistics show they are our areas of high risk,” Mr Hill said. “They need special attention over the financial year, not just between now and the end of 2014.” Mr Hill said the mega blitz would focus on the footy finals this month. “We know during this period there is significant risk both in the city and across Victoria because of the celebrations prior, during and after the games,” he said. “That will take us to October, where there will be a strong focus on motorcyclists for the month. “That is both because of the Phillip Island motorcycle grand prix and the fact with the warmer weather we see more motorcycles being taken out of the garage by seasonal recreational riders. “The Spring Racing Carnival and Melbourne Cup week are also high risk times of the year. “Then we have December and the end of year break-ups and Christmas parties, which will have a strong focus from us on drink and drug driving. “We had 30 people killed in December last year, that’s something we don’t want replicated this year. “The whole of Victoria Police has been engaged, with the support of Chief Commissioner Ken Lay and our deputy and assistant commissioners, to ensure we have the resources we need to sustain this four month blitz. “We will be focusing on every road user, with particular emphasis on tackling speeding drivers and riders to reduce the average speed across the system. “We know that’s a challenge to us in terms of changing that culture across society. “Enforcement is the key, but we need to change people’s attitudes to driving on drugs, talking on their mobile phones and high and low range speeding. “We have done exceptionally well at changing the drink driving culture over the past 30 years through a strong campaign that is admired around the world. “But we haven’t been as successful at this point in time in making speeding as socially unacceptable as drink driving.” Mr Hill said the 2014 road toll was particularly high because of a spate of quadruple and triple fatalities. “There have actually been fewer collisions involving a fatality or fatalities this year than last, but more fatalities because of the number of collisions which resulted in multiple deaths. “Every death on our roads is a tragedy; we don’t want to knock on any more families’ doors to tell them they have lost a loved one. “We’re asking people to stay alert, stay sober, stay within the speed limit and, most importantly, stay alive.” Part of the TAC’s contribution to the mega blitz is a $1 million cash injection to pay for police overtime hours during the special operation to ensure a strong visible presence on the roads. “The partnership approach towards improving road infrastructure, promoting vehicle safety technologies and educating road users about the dangers of speeding, drink and drug driving, fatigue and distraction, along with enhanced police enforcement, has resulted in year on year record low road tolls,” TAC chief executive Janet Dore told the Herald Sun. “However with the road toll currently higher that this time last year; it is a timely reminder for every road user to make sure they take responsibility for the way they use the roads as we move towards our vision of a state where every journey is a safe one.” |
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It's been my experience that in any State where they publicly announce a Blitz I see less Police on the road. Usually when the Police have a blitz you only know about it when you've been stopped.
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