Manual car on Auto license - Vic ONLY.

[Kryton]

ok, im a fully licensed driver, i done my days with a manual gearbox.
my GF's little brother is on his P's but he only has an auto license.
i would like to teach him to drive a manual car.
What are the laws regarding him learning to drive a manual on an auto license?
can i just sit next to him and instruct him while he displays P plates or does he need to display L plates?
is it even possible for me to teach him while he's on an auto license?

[Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by davway

ok, im a fully licensed driver, i done my days with a manual gearbox.
my GF's little brother is on his P's but he only has an auto license.
i would like to teach him to drive a manual car.
What are the laws regarding him learning to drive a manual on an auto license?
can i just sit next to him and instruct him while he displays P plates or does he need to display L plates?
is it even possible for me to teach him while he's on an auto license?

I would say NO to the above. Me and the wife are in the same situation at the moment. Our AU is Auto and her daily but my EA is manual and i want to teach her but as long as she is on her p's, i cant do it. If anyone can verify this it would be much appreciated. Cheers, Adam.

[dom_105]

Just on this, and I don't want to hijack the thread but it relates to the question, but if I have a auto restriction on my P's (in Victoria), could I drive a manual once I get my full license?

[CADSKY]

hey guys being from melb and having a sister that got her auto P's i have a fair idea of what your talking about.

the way i understand it is your GF's bro would have to go back onto his L's all over again to relearn then do his P's test again in a manual car.
he cant display L's cos he has his P's (dunno what would happen if a cop pulled you over, but i dont think you would get off scott free, probly a fine for not displaying P-Plates)

i think the best thing you could do is find some out of the way road where nobody goes and teach him there, he will have to wait till he gets his full licence before he can drive a manual but it would be legal for him to do so

[GUTLES]

Originally Posted by dom_105

Just on this, and I don't want to hijack the thread but it relates to the question, but if I have a auto restriction on my P's (in Victoria), could I drive a manual once I get my full license?

Yes, you will get a full license, crazy eh.

If it was me, I'd just teach him, have you ever heard of anyone getting fined for driving a manual car on an auto license? I guess if you we're in an accident you could be in some strife..

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by GUTLES

have you ever heard of anyone getting fined for driving a manual car on an auto license? I guess if you we're in an accident you could be in some strife..

over here its a fine and its called driveing/riding out of class

over here if you want to go from auto to manual its just like getting a licence for a larger vehical , you do need to get a new lerners for the new class licence
then your on your "Ls" ( in that class ) till you pass the driving test but you can still drive the auto on "Ps"
after you have passecd the next class your then licenced for that class and if you probation period has finnished for the previous class then no mor need for the p plates
but thats over here ( in w.a. )

[Kryton]

i personally think the whole things stinks.
Automatic licenses should be barred for all except those with medical reason (such as having 1 leg etc).
IMO (and i express this with passion) if you cant drive a manual, you have no business driving a car.
sure there are going to be the exceptions (and we will hear them no doubt) but seriously, it isnt that hard.
what really gets me, is you can get an auto license and as soon as your off your P's and have a full license, you can drive a manual car.
now thats 1st class safety for all road users right there.
Auto license = auto license for good, till you can prove you can drive a manual.
anyway, back to the topic.

so there isnt any real way of teaching him legally?
how do driving instructors do it in this situation?

[boss-290]

Some people use the excuse (my mates)..

"My car is an Auto and my parents cars are autos so I can't learn with them in a manual, so I got my Auto licence"

I'll also add, I have never driven a car with an Automatic Transmission. Well not properly anyway.

[Pinkbits]

Best thing to do is contact Vic Roads and ask.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by boss-290

Some people use the excuse (my mates)..

"My car is an Auto and my parents cars are autos so I can't learn with them in a manual, so I got my Auto licence"

and its a lame excuse.
most license testers will not pass you unless you have been to a driving instructor.
they can teach anyone to drive even if you have never driven anything before.

[Pursuit_chick]

I don't know about where you are, but in QLD, You can have your Auto license (even on P's) and still be taught how to drive a manual while your on them. You just need someone else sitting in the car with you that has their full license. I only suppose thats how it would be in most other states (execpt SA)

Im pretty sure thats how it works, someone correct me if im wrong. I got my Manual license straight up.

[devilcv8]

Originally Posted by Pursuit_chick

I don't know about where you are, but in QLD, You can have your Auto license (even on P's) and still be taught how to drive a manual while your on them. You just need someone else sitting in the car with you that has their full license. I only suppose thats how it would be in most other states (execpt SA)

Im pretty sure thats how it works, someone correct me if im wrong. I got my Manual license straight up.

Same as NSW. The person in the passenger seat has to have a full license though

[Sean-87]

I think someone told me that in order to drive a manual car on an auto license you need a fully licensed driver with you and display signs reading "Driver Under Instruction" or words to that effect.

I pretty sure thats what Vic Roads had to say. (But don't quote me on that :P)

EDIT: Hmm bit slow

[XCSEDAN]

errrrrrrr the guys EDITED, but even my grandmother can drive manual, it really isn't that hard!!!!

oh yeah and to answer the original question, no he cannot drive manual on a public road until he either gets his manual license, OR he gets his full license. that's what i was told at vicroads anyhow.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by XCSEDAN

errrrrrrr the guys EDITED, but even my grandmother can drive manual, it really isn't that hard!!!!

oh yeah and to answer the original question, no he cannot drive manual on a public road until he either gets his manual license, OR he gets his full license. that's what i was told at vicroads anyhow.

how does he get a manual license if he cant drive a manual on public roads?

[uranium_death]

To judge people as crap drivers because they choose to drive automatic is very naive. It doesn't make you a better driver.

Tell that to the people who drive manuals and wrap themselves around poles after emulating some clod.

It gives you more control, yes, but as if I give a rat's in a VTII Acclaim. It's called "transport."

People enjoy their cars in different ways and your way is not right or wrong. It's your way. Enjoy it. I'll enjoy what I have, even if it might not be as "fantastically great" as what you do.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by boss-290

Some people use the excuse (my mates)..

"My car is an Auto and my parents cars are autos so I can't learn with them in a manual, so I got my Auto licence".

Thats a total cop out.

Both my parents had autos but I still got a manual license. The only manual car I drove was the driving instructors.

Oddly enough I have never actually owned a manual car in the 6 cars and 11 years I've been driving. I do wan't to own one though one day. The only manual cars I drive on the rare occasion are the 4wd work utes or the transit tray.

[wodahs]

i own an auto but have more than just an auto licence

i drive road trains for a living so after shitying gears all day im happy to get in to my auto

[I FluXx I]

I have an auto license. Its because I didnt have a manual car to practice in and could only afford one lesson at the time befor I went for my driving test. I didnt think the one lesson would be enough to get me completely used to the clutch and gear box in a car I had never driven befor. Im upgrading my license in a couple of months though. I can drive manuals fine. I drive my bro's manual XR8 ute around and drive a manual work van all day.

[BigCav]

i am 99.99999% sure that she is never aloud to touch a manual car untill she has had her full licence for 3 years

i think after 3 years on a full auto licence u automatically are aloud to start driving manuals, but only after 3 full years of fully licenced.

gay yes but i know i dont want people driving on the roads who cant drive a manual and havent had enough road experiance to knwo hwo to drive properlly. so the 3 years of fully licenced works out well i recon becaus eafter 3 years u should be able to know road rules and dangers well enough to be able to start learning how to drive manuals

so in vic that means if u got your licence at the very eaerliest ages possible u cant drive a manual on an auto licence untill your atleast 24

[fastapasta]

just display Ls.

[Trevor 57]

To answer your question. WITHOUT ANY JUDGEMENT!

It used to be the case in Victoria that if you wanted to drive a manual car on a auto licence you just displayed a smaller version of the "Driver Under Instruction" plates you see on trucks.

I will have a look around the Vicroads Webiste and some law sites and see wht I can come up with.

[Trevor 57]

The only bit I could find at this stage is:

Road Safety (Drivers) Regulations 1999 - SECT 220
Drivers under instruction

220. Drivers under instruction



(1) A person who is driving a motor vehicle and who does not hold a driver
licence that authorises the holder to drive a motor vehicle of that category
is exempted for the purposes of section 18(1) of the Act if-

(a) he or she is the holder of a driver licence of another category (other
than a motor cycle licence); and

(b) a person who holds an Australian driver licence which is appropriate
for the category of vehicle being driven is sitting beside him or her.

(2) A person driving a motor vehicle in accordance with sub-regulation (1)
must have conspicuously displayed on the front and rear of the motor vehicle a
driver under instruction plate.

Another critical bit is the bit about the accompanying driver, I forgot about this is my earlier post.

The only place on the Vicroads site where these plates are mentioned in under a section for diabled drivers, but it does give the dimensions etc of the plate.

It is advisable to display a “Driver Under Instruction” plate on the vehicle. These plates are 15 cm x 15 cm with black writing on a yellow background

I have seen these made out of corflute.

[VertexZ]

thats correct big trev

A fully licensed driver supervises, with driver under instruction plates. Then you need to re-do you P plate license test in a manual and you can go on your own

[Laminge]

Personally I dont see the issue these days

Manual or Automatic it should be a matter of choice, after all the important factor is the amount of time on the road with an aim of learning as much as possible from an experienced driver

Change the rules to include 2 driver training courses and I would be more comfortable with that

[fmc351]

When I got mine, I could be tested in an auto yet drive a manual, there was no auto licence. Heaps of people did it this way as it made the test easier, my oldies cars are have always been manuals so I did my test and training in manuals. I was riding a bike on the roads under 'L's' in Vic before sitting for my P's in cars.


I still dont see the beef with auto licences. If it makes some people feel more comfortable then so be it. Its just something less for them to think about for that little time it takes for it become natural. Just be glad the system recognises it and limits them to autos until they prove they can drive a manual.

[bigev]

Yep, driver under instruction plates are needed.

My sister got an auto license and then the opportunity came up to buy a family owned manual for a great price.

Once she had done the lessons with the driving instructor, she had to sit the driving test again, but not the theory test.

Case closed.

[Grechie]

I got done in my car when i was on my p's in 2006 (auto license; recently converted to T5), I got away with it for a long time then when a copper pulled me over he torched in the car...i got a 150 dollar fine and no points, people DO get caught...depends on how smart the officer is.

[dom_105]

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

Thats a total cop out.

Both my parents had autos but I still got a manual license. The only manual car I drove was the driving instructors.

Oddly enough I have never actually owned a manual car in the 6 cars and 11 years I've been driving. I do wan't to own one though one day. The only manual cars I drive on the rare occasion are the 4wd work utes or the transit tray.

Why is it a cop out?

Both my parents cars were auto's, so it seemed sensible to me that I should go for an auto license.

Yeah, sure I could have driven a manual with the driving instructor, but at 50 bucks a pop I could only afford a handful of lessons.

So I had the choice of sitting for the auto license, which I knew I had a great chance of getting first shot, or going for the manual which I had less of a chance of getting first shot because 1. I wasn't ever going to be as experienced driving a manual than driving an auto and 2. there are more things to stuff up.

And if I failed, it would have cost me more time and more money, which as a teenager you have little of both. I thought it would be a no brainer.

[boss-290]

Originally Posted by davway

how does he get a manual license if he cant drive a manual on public roads?

He means driving it on an auto licence.

You must re sit the P plate test in a manual car for it to be legal to drive a manual car.