Sick People in this world.

[Reaper8]

The only issue this country has with firearm is in the illegal trade and that is were the focus should be on. The greens have already jumped on this and started another push against people doing the right thing as we are easy targets. more money should be going into customs for them to stop the illegal import of fireams into this country and out of the hand of the scum that will use them like this. If we cant stop boat loads of people wanting to get caught how can we stop drugs and firearms coming in. Remember firearms are only a tool and in the right hands are as safe as a spanner in the hands of a scumbag their dangerous.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Reaper8

The only issue this country has with firearm is in the illegal trade and that is were the focus should be on. The greens have already jumped on this and started another push against people doing the right thing as we are easy targets. more money should be going into customs for them to stop the illegal import of fireams into this country and out of the hand of the scum that will use them like this. If we cant stop boat loads of people wanting to get caught how can we stop drugs and firearms coming in. Remember firearms are only a tool and in the right hands are as safe as a spanner in the hands of a scumbag their dangerous.

The only problem with the spanner analogy is that a hand gun that holds 9 rounds can hit 9 targets in 9 trigger presses - let's say 4 or 5 seconds. Let's say 50% are kill shots, so that's 4 or 5 dead, 5 or 4 injured at close range in under 5 seconds. To hit that many people with one spanner and inflict similar damage takes a lot longer, and after the first few blows (unlikely to be fatal, but let's say one lands hard enough on the head, so there's one death in 15 or 20 seconds), the person wielding the spanner is likely to be overpowered by the crowd.

So while guns are not responsible for murder per se, they are responsible for "fast murder", and so to me, the ease with which a gun kills is why people choose to use them, and let's face it, they are designed only for one thing - to kill. You may say you can use them for sport, but gun shooting is not a sport - and I don't care it's in the olympics - they are based on military events anyway. Gun shooting is practice to kill. Whether that is people or animals, it is still killing, right or wrong.

A spanner's primary purpose on the other hand is to build, or repair things - so much the opposite end of the spectrum to guns it's not funny.

If I could, I would destroy all guns - come up with a really good, practical and necessary reason for a gun, and I may change my mind. But often the argument for a gun is to protect oneself from another with a gun. Take the guns away, and what is the need? Keep in mind we don't need to shoot our food any more - abattoirs take care of the killing process for us. If you want to shoot something for sport, take up xbox or PS3 (some of the games are realistic enough).

[csv8]

This is America...

[NickyN]

Originally Posted by csv8

This is America...

That's unfair to generalize to all of the US. The 2nd Amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms. Not the right to kill. There's a big difference there. Like I wrote earlier, the NRA plays a big part in laws and the problem lies with lobbyists, money and special interest groups.

The nutcase in CO had his mind set on his shooting spree that night. He would have found some way to get the cache he wanted, he would have just bought more online. From what I've read, CO is one of the easiest states to acquire a gun and carry it concealed. It might have been more difficult for him if he lived in another state, who knows.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by JC

If I could, I would destroy all guns - come up with a really good, practical and necessary reason for a gun, and I may change my mind. But often the argument for a gun is to protect oneself from another with a gun. Take the guns away, and what is the need? Keep in mind we don't need to shoot our food any more - abattoirs take care of the killing process for us. If you want to shoot something for sport, take up xbox or PS3 (some of the games are realistic enough).

i agree with your first 3 paragraphs, but getting rid of all guns, is like getting rid of nudge bars or high performance cars. the average person doesn't need either, but to those who have them, they are valued

i have never owned a gun, but held a shooter's licence in the early 90's. that was the time when they were supposed to be hard to get, but were very, very easy. the only hard bit was waiting a month or 2. the current laws are just about right in my opinion. most people in australia who have them legally do not use them for illegal purposes. sure there are some bad eggs, but i think the current laws are about right

some people like to go to a shooting range, just like others like to go to a drag strip or for a drive out in the country. should they be penalised too much because of this passion. if the owner has a licence and the gun is locked up in a separate box to the ammunition, i don't see where the problem is. if they were planning to go crazy anyway there are other ways to inflict terrible injuries onto many people. you don't need a gun to do that. however, the laws we have make it harder for someone to make a snap decision and go and shoot many people

while i haven't been hunting/sport shooting much at all and haven't been for over 20 years, the xbox is nothing like shooting for sport. i personally do not see a difference in shooting a person or an animal (they both only have one life to give), so i choose not to, but if someone wants to shoot at targets or to catch their food for the night, then why shouldn't they be allowed to

[BPXR6T]

Originally Posted by JC

If I could, I would destroy all guns - come up with a really good, practical and necessary reason for a gun, and I may change my mind. But often the argument for a gun is to protect oneself from another with a gun. Take the guns away, and what is the need? Keep in mind we don't need to shoot our food any more - abattoirs take care of the killing process for us. If you want to shoot something for sport, take up xbox or PS3 (some of the games are realistic enough).

Step outside your suburban life and you'll see pretty quickly why I need a gun. The problem with the U.S is the type of gun and the ease of access. Why the hell does someone need an assault rifle in the burbs or anywhere other than a war zone for that matter. However I suspect no access to guns wouldn't have stopped this guy. Bombs are easy enough to make.

[JC]

Originally Posted by BPXR6T

Step outside your suburban life and you'll see pretty quickly why I need a gun. The problem with the U.S is the type of gun and the ease of access. Why the hell does someone need an assault rifle in the burbs or anywhere other than a war zone for that matter. However I suspect no access to guns wouldn't have stopped this guy. Bombs are easy enough to make.

Yep, I understand from a non-suburban view point. But a glock and an assault rifle on a farm? Not likely. A good old 303 (or equivalent) and a 12 gauge may be what is required.

I can see why banning all guns may not be the right thing to do, but there is no argument that they are made to kill, to kill quickly and to kill in bulk if required. Not too mane other man made things invented to do quite the same thing on such a large scale, and I'm going to lob bombs (pun intended), missiles, grenades and bazookas etc into the same mix here, as they essentially work on the same or similar principle. I know we can't necessarily un-invent something, but given the intended purpose, surely we should severely restrict their use to those who actually need it/them?

I don't know the answer, I just know as a non-shooter, the answer to me is perfectly clear, but of course other's needs (and I reiterate - it must be NEEDS, not wants given what these things are capable of) do need to be considered. But in this PC world we now live in, wants are seen as rights, whether there is a genuine need or not.

[Pis-ton broke]

yeah there are some sick people walking around, in my youth i used to hang around with a pretty rough crowd, and i don,t have the time of day for them now days. But some of them were very unscruplous and vilolent. You don,t need a gun or a knife to serious harm or kill, its a mental descion. I knew a bloke that jumped on some guys leg while his leg was across a gutter, did brake it to, my friend told me about it but you wouldn,t thought it of him. And his son was a dick as well.

My point is that there are plenty of nuts walking around in society, and you wouldn,t even know it. It just think that under certain situations it brings out the worst in people and some people have poor selfcontrol.

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by JC

The only problem with the spanner analogy is that a hand gun that holds 9 rounds can hit 9 targets in 9 trigger presses - let's say 4 or 5 seconds. Let's say 50% are kill shots, so that's 4 or 5 dead, 5 or 4 injured at close range in under 5 seconds. To hit that many people with one spanner and inflict similar damage takes a lot longer, and after the first few blows (unlikely to be fatal, but let's say one lands hard enough on the head, so there's one death in 15 or 20 seconds), the person wielding the spanner is likely to be overpowered by the crowd.

So while guns are not responsible for murder per se, they are responsible for "fast murder", and so to me, the ease with which a gun kills is why people choose to use them, and let's face it, they are designed only for one thing - to kill. You may say you can use them for sport, but gun shooting is not a sport - and I don't care it's in the olympics - they are based on military events anyway. Gun shooting is practice to kill. Whether that is people or animals, it is still killing, right or wrong.

A spanner's primary purpose on the other hand is to build, or repair things - so much the opposite end of the spectrum to guns it's not funny.

If I could, I would destroy all guns - come up with a really good, practical and necessary reason for a gun, and I may change my mind. But often the argument for a gun is to protect oneself from another with a gun. Take the guns away, and what is the need? Keep in mind we don't need to shoot our food any more - abattoirs take care of the killing process for us. If you want to shoot something for sport, take up xbox or PS3 (some of the games are realistic enough).

So you think Olympic Air Pistol is a training ground for killing.
What are you on?

[JC]

Originally Posted by xtremerus

So you think Olympic Air Pistol is a training ground for killing.
What are you on?

Is it a gun? What were gun's invented for? You can work out the rest.

And for the record, I am on nothing since giving up cigarettes 6 months ago, but thanks for asking.

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by JC

Is it a gun? What were gun's invented for? You can work out the rest.

And for the record, I am on nothing since giving up cigarettes 6 months ago, but thanks for asking.

Hope you don't use, or rely on things developed for war.
GSP, radar, jet aircraft, the list goes on.
Or do you wish these were banned too?

[TC200six]

Lets ban marijuana to stop the drug trade.. Hey wait a minute.... it's already illegal.

It's the same with guns. If you think banning legal firearms is going to stop gun crime and start eternal peace, you have to be kidding.

[mik]

Originally Posted by TC200six

Lets ban marijuana to stop the drug trade.. Hey wait a minute.... it's already illegal.

It's the same with guns. If you think banning legal firearms is going to stop gun crime and start eternal peace, you have to be kidding.

who`s to know, it may have stopped the cinema shooting in the US.