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29-05-2009, 12:23 PM | #301 | |||
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Holden could be sold off...
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29-05-2009, 01:01 PM | #302 | |||
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news is coming in
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29-05-2009, 04:27 PM | #303 | ||
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I'm proud that Ford hasn't gone to the US Gov't with cap in hand. I mean GM has already received nearly $20B USD, and are about to get another $30B USD. Yet are almost definitely going bankrupt this Monday.
What does irk me is that they, GM, will come out of this and be virtually debt free (some $20B or more gone), plus the ability to shutter plenty of plants with no requirement for redundancies etc. Effectively, by sucking on the teet of the US Gov't they will get a free kick over Ford to the tune of probably $40B USD. Which positively affects their cash-flow to the tune of $2B USD annually. My only hope is that GM need to reduce their scale, as do Chrysler and people buy more Fords. I also hope people will acknowledge in a positive sense that Ford didn't take their taxpayer money and reward them with business. As more people buy them, they will see the added quality and design standards and build a prosperous Ford. You gotta remember too, that Q1-2008 Ford had started to make money again, before the GFC hit and vehicle sales dove by 40%.
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29-05-2009, 04:45 PM | #304 | ||
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After chatpter 11 GM will be 70% odd owned by the US govt. Those handout are not freebies.
Ford will still be in control of it's own destiny, GM will have the US govt at the helm.
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29-05-2009, 04:52 PM | #305 | |||
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Consumer sentiment re Ford is up, down for GM / Chrysler. People know what is going on, are wary of it, and it is definitely showing through. |
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29-05-2009, 05:16 PM | #306 | |||
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Unfortunately it will probably have priority in govt fleet purchasing as well. |
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29-05-2009, 06:05 PM | #307 | ||
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With the us government is controlling GM, could that spell bad trouble for Holden? The us government would not like to see cars being built in Australia and exported to areas that the US could, the US gov would have its own countries workforces as a priority.
I cant see Obama giving the nod to the commodore being exported to the US at all (i.e rumours of the VE being used as cop cars) Would the government even 'keep' GM? What is they trim it down and sell it off?
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29-05-2009, 06:48 PM | #308 | ||
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If the commodore gets the nod as the new US cop car. It will be built and serviced in the states. Dont kid yourselves on that one.
By the sounds of the Opel thread, GM are pushing their luck and honestly i hope it blows up in their faces. If Ford get the business then they will employ more. GM failed. I hope it fails completely and Ford picks up the market. I am truely proud at this moment to own a Ford, infact 4 Fords. If telstra is anything to go buy, the US government will sink 40 billion into the company, then sell it off for 10 - 20 billion and leave the voting public in disillusion. |
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29-05-2009, 08:30 PM | #309 | ||
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D-day looms for car giant General Motors
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...09-664,00.html "GM-Holden is highly regarded within the GM empire and could be a jewel in its crown." I can't believe the love Holden is getting from the media, if it were Ford they'd be carving the headstone. |
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29-05-2009, 08:35 PM | #310 | ||
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^^gotta love the Herals Sun cars guide, not a word about the GM crisis. They were happy to carve Ford up for weeks on end a little while back though.
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30-05-2009, 01:02 AM | #311 | ||
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"KDB already said it would be willing to provide 1 trillion won in funds if GM agreed to turn over licensing rights to technologies developed by its South Korean affiliate and agreed to relocate an engine manufacturing plant in Australia to South Korea."
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...0News/2348457/ |
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30-05-2009, 02:45 AM | #312 | ||
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Good find Coupex, let the LS1 forum folk know.... bet they didn't see that danger, let alone VIC..
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30-05-2009, 12:27 PM | #313 | |||
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I wonder what our Government thinks about this plan? |
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30-05-2009, 12:56 PM | #314 | ||
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30-05-2009, 01:39 PM | #315 | ||
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30-05-2009, 02:33 PM | #316 | |||
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this isnt directly related to GM and its bankruptcy, but still relevant because of the handouts private companies are asking for from the govt in capitalist countries.
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30-05-2009, 06:09 PM | #317 | |||
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I just read that report. Its scary to think just how bad the town of Detroit has become. It seems strange that the movie Robocop was based in a post industrial detroit. When it came out it was so science fiction because who would ever believe that Detroit would fall so far into urban decline and become a wasteland? Twenty odd years later what has happened.................................. |
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30-05-2009, 06:30 PM | #318 | |||
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Downtown Detroit has been desolate for 25 + years. I lived there in the 90's and you 'just didn't go downtown'. It was a wasteland then, and it still is. Strangely enough you often have to drive through downtown Detroit to get to Wealthy suburbs on Lake St Clair like Gross Point ! All the middle-class has moved to the suburbs, and where once (50's and 60's) there was a reason for going Downtown (shopping / entertainment), there isn't now. You can get anything you want in the huge shopping complexes in reasonably well to do suburbs like Livonia and Novi. Having said that there are many towns in Michigan that are now a shadow of what they once were because of the move towards Japanese motor vehicles (eg: Flint was the hub of GM - now it's pretty much a ghost town). |
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30-05-2009, 07:22 PM | #319 | ||
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A bit of a report from SBS news.
http://player.sbs.com.au/naca/#/naca...y-takes-shape/ Funny thing that the guy says that comapnies that alot of companies that come out of Bankruptcy fail within 3-5 years.
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30-05-2009, 07:58 PM | #320 | |||
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1 Trillion Korean Won converts to about $1.03B AUSD, or $0.8B USD. GM's current cash burn is about $5B USD a month average since Dec 2008, so that ought to get them another 4days in denial at least. PS Daewoo are integral to GM's future, if they have one.
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30-05-2009, 08:35 PM | #321 | ||
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'GM Daewoo Should Be Key Output Base'
The Korea Development Bank, GM Daewoo Auto & Technology’s main creditor, reaffirmed that it will only provide financial support when General Motors promises to make its Korean unit a main production base of small cars. ``We cannot offer financial assistance to GM Daewoo if its parent U.S. company does not guarantee that it will make GM Daewoo a main manufacturing post of hybrid and small cars,’’ a senior KDB official said. His remarks came a day after the world’s second largest carmaker, which is likely to file for bankruptcy soon, said that GM Daewoo will be incorporated into a ``good GM’’ even if the company files for bankruptcy. In case of bankruptcy, GM plans to incorporate its viable affiliates into a ``good GM’’ or ``new GM.’’ ``I think GM Daewoo should be in a good GM. We strongly recommend that. If GM files for Chapter 11, which is possible, then I would expect GM Daewoo will be in a good GM,’’ Nick Reilly, head of GM Asia Pacific, told reporters in Seoul after talking with the KDB on Thursday. He stressed that Korea and GM Daewoo is very important for the ill-fated company. ``GM has invested huge amount of money in Korea. We have increased the level of employment after acquiring GM Daewoo in 2002. We are having a discussion with KDB about future financing plan. As I said before, we don’t have any desire to sell shares to anybody.’’ But Reilly ruled out the possibility of co-management of GM Daewoo with KDB, saying, ``KDB already has three members on the board of directors of GM Daewoo. That is working very well.’’ The meeting came as the U.S. carmaker moved a step closer to its own bankruptcy protection filing, as no breakthrough has yet been made between GM and its creditors. Washington is highly likely to buy up to a 70 percent stake in the firm and set up a new GM, which many believe will affect its Korean arm. During the meeting, KDB also asked GM to turn over technology licensing rights and relocate an engine manufacturing plant in Australia to Korea in exchange for financial assistance. The state-run KDB holds a 28 percent stake in GM Daewoo, with the remainder being controlled by GM. GM Daewoo has asked since February for KDB to provide 1 trillion won ($795.6 million) in financial assistance, but the lender has been reluctant to give aid, citing uncertainty surrounding the U.S. automaker. ``The management is not the issue. We want GM to promise its long-term commitment to its Korean unit as the fate of GM Daewoo will depend on how the U.S. parent company will be committed to long-term growth for the Korean carmaker,’’ another KDB official said. If GM does not include GM Daewoo in a good GM, it is highly probable that the Korean automaker will go into court receivership. http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news...123_45885.html |
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31-05-2009, 02:08 AM | #322 | |||
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Just talk about the sale of opel
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31-05-2009, 07:14 PM | #323 | |||
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The fed gove thinks Holden will be safe.
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31-05-2009, 07:15 PM | #324 | |||
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Bond Holders 'approve debt restructuring'.
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I like how they "expect" Holden to be safe, they can't know for sure.
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31-05-2009, 07:36 PM | #326 | ||
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Holden is still set to produce the Cruze localy, yet the plan is for GM Us to build small cars. And then there is Korea wanting small cars to be built there...'tis a messy situation
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31-05-2009, 07:43 PM | #327 | ||
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How are they supposed to make the Cruze now?
There is no way GM is giving them the 450 million they were going to need |
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31-05-2009, 07:53 PM | #328 | ||
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It is very naive of Senator Carr to assume that Holden will be safe due to the manufacture of the Cruze, If I am not mistaken the Cruze will be manufactured in another three countries as well as Australia? Especially naive considering that GM need to fund $450 million........... Heaven knows where they will pull that from?
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31-05-2009, 07:58 PM | #329 | |||
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i wonder where the $450 mill will come from the au gov or what Jason
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31-05-2009, 08:53 PM | #330 | |||
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With Cruze only being 25% local content, will Focus contain more Australian content?
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