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"no one" is a colloquial term which holds little value. "no one" is buying the Falcon, Territory, or Commodore either, better can them all now. A quick glance at carsales shows many people did indeed actually buy the XR8.
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I enjoy driving them both but if i had to pick i'd go the turbo...
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In some ways, it's a shame that FoA couldn't get their hands on the 5.8 Alloy block.
IMO, that Boss 5.8 would probably do the job on the SS 6.0 and its HSV 6.2 mate....
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For the XR8 to have a place, it would have to be like this

XR8 with the N/A coyote. Pegged at 300-odd kw's.

Then the GS with 335kw's, and the GT at 351...
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For the XR8 to have a place, it would have to be like this

XR8 with the N/A coyote. Pegged at 300-odd kw's.

Then the GS with 335kw's, and the GT at 351...
There's no reason why the XR8 couldn't be sold with 302 kw and keep the 315 and 335, but in saying that FPV have already developed the intercooled version and its just sitting there waiting to be used, so even better to fit it to the GT if they don't plan on going ahead with the GT-H, and donate the 335 down to GS.

Will they do a 45th Anniversary GT with the 351 intercooled engine, its the right year for it. 1967 - 2012.
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While this thread topic is specifically about the feasibility of an XR8, my thoughts are with the workers at Broadmeadows and Geelong,
so much hinges on continuing good volume sales of Falcon and Territory, that has a higher priority than an XR8.
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do you think ford can make it work at about 4000 units a month (local product)?

also do sales of the imports help to carry the locals? or does it have no bearing on it? surely if the imports are doing well, they can survive on lower local volume.

getting a fair way off track here but the xr8 topic is done. it was done the first time round 12months ago. there's plenty of passion but passion doesn't buy cars.
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While this thread topic is specifically about the feasibility of an XR8, my thoughts are with the workers at Broadmeadows and Geelong,
so much hinges on continuing good volume sales of Falcon and Territory, that has a higher priority than an XR8.
Yeap and they have made all the moves now necessary, I cant see anything else coming. TDi Falcon would be great but probably for protecting the I6 that wont happen. Which is madness because they should be exploring what actually works, if a tdi falcon proves to be popular then great, its another car sold regardless.

So from now until 2016 we can expect no more engine changes? If 2016 is the cut off date there is no point (if they would ever do it) to release a XR8 late 2014/15..you not even giving it a chance.

To me the XR8 would be the icing on the cake for the Ford range, and as you say thats the range that actually matters.
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Yeap and they have made all the moves now necessary, I cant see anything else coming. TDi Falcon would be great but probably for protecting the I6 that wont happen.

So from now until 2016 we can expect no more engine changes? If 2016 is the cut off date there is no point (if they would ever do it) to release a XR8 late 2014/15..you not even giving it a chance.

To me the XR8 would be the icing on the cake for the Ford range, and as you say thats the range that actually matters.
Just wishfull thinking here but what do y'all think of a lightweight version of the GS? Strip off some of the luxo crap that I don't want or need etc, it'll go faster, handle better and cost less... and there's bugger all development involved so it could be ready in a week.
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You'd have thought if FPV were going to change power levels, they'd have done so with the FGII change.


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FPV were out of sync for FG2 though, 2014 update should have everyone back on the same page.
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Lupo the gs is barebones as it is...hehe
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yeah, what luxo crap? lol it's pov spec
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My 2c
IF i were to buy a new falcon with the current way the range is IE GS/GT with no XR8 id have to settle for an XR6T.
Always loved owning my V8 and i can see the point of people buying them, but if i was in the situation arose and buying an FPV came upon me id still pick the F6, as much as i love the V8, its pointless for me ie more rego, insurance and fuel.
I just dont see the point of an XR8 now (as much as its loved by many).
Ill bet a lot of people wanting it back would never buy one, but when they did and pulled up next to an S/C GS.....
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Ill bet a lot of people wanting it back would never buy one, but when they did and pulled up next to an S/C GS.....
This line gets thrown around way to much, this is a medium to discuss cars, if the next generation of buyers cant put their views forward then we have lost the subtance of what a forum is about. ignore it if you ill but its just as valid as anyone elses.

That line would inicate that the people in the xr8 category have disppeared? Prior to FG the XR8 was very popular, even with the XR6T about, i think the decline of the xr8 was proportional to the falcon market in general...but it was still clocking up numbers that now they are missing.

Its really indicative of the difference in v8 culture between ford and holden, holden have stuck it out over the years are they get rewarded with blind loyalty. Ford chop and change and reap what they sow.

Btw, if i was the xr8 driver i would give the gs guy the thumbs up and think one day when i can commit more to my mode of transport, or simply bite the bullet and finance one, that oon enough ill be in his position. But for now i would be more than happy with my mustang powered falcon.
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That line would inicate that the people in the xr8 category have disppeared? Prior to FG the XR8 was very popular, even with the XR6T about, i think the decline of the xr8 was proportional to the falcon market in general...but it was still clocking up numbers that now they are missing.

Its really indicative of the difference in v8 culture between ford and holden, holden have stuck it out over the years are they get rewarded with blind loyalty. Ford chop and change and reap what they sow.

Btw, if i was the xr8 driver i would give the gs guy the thumbs up and think one day when i can commit more to my mode of transport, or simply bite the bullet and finance one, that oon enough ill be in his position. But for now i would be more than happy with my mustang powered falcon.
They did disappear... into a 6T or swapped camps. (When FG XR8 was released) Ford would have been silly to can it if it sold well with the BOSS motor and not continue it with an N/A 5.0.
Prior to FG, yes ill admit they did sell well and you see plenty around. But the FG XR6T was always going to be hard to beat, only the V8 die hards would buy an XR8. I cant help but wonder if the XR8 would have held a candle to the 6T if it were offered with the 5.0.
I love the 6T motor if you didnt know, but would be good to see the 'bigger bro' XR8 go toe to toe with it.

But your right with the Holden/HSV mentality though. They stuck with the V8 and it has paid off for them in spades.

Edit- Im not saying the XR8 was rubbish in anyway, before people get their backs up.
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Ill bet a lot of people wanting it back would never buy one, but when they did and pulled up next to an S/C GS.....
Well, inthe context of an XR8 being a rebadged GS, thankfully there's a large body of experience on this topic.

Just go find someone who has just bought a new Ranger and pulled up next to a BT50. Or VN Commodore next to a Lexcen. A Mazda 2 next to a Fiesta. A Laser next to a 323. A Ford Telstar and a 626. A Ford Courier next to a Mazda Bravo.....

Did those people all fall over in self digust? Or did the models sell in parallel and people just got over it?


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Well, inthe context of an XR8 being a rebadged GS, thankfully there's a large body of experience on this topic.

Just go find someone who has just bought a new Ranger and pulled up next to a BT50. Or VN Commodore next to a Lexcen. A Mazda 2 next to a Fiesta. A Laser next to a 323. A Ford Telstar and a 626. A Ford Courier next to a Mazda Bravo.....

Did those people all fall over in self digust? Or did the models sell in parallel and people just got over it?


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Sorry but thats not the same, well it is but except whats under the bonnet is a lot better in the GS.
One is a Ford the other FPV, some may see that as different also.
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Sorry but thats not the same, well it is but....
Bollocks. It is the same. You're just splitting hairs.

I tell you what. Never buy yourself an FT86, because you're going to go nuts pulling up to a Subaru BRZ. And there you go - if Ford think they are going to get negative publicity by just redressing a GS in XR8 badges, there's the best evidence that such things are socially acceptable.


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Your clutching at straws, the Toybaru at least looks different between brands as do a lot of other badge engineered cars. To badge engineer a vehicle from the same brand in the same market nonetheless, and for it only to be the badge as the significant difference is ridiculous.
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Bollocks. It is the same. You're just splitting hairs.

I tell you what. Never buy yourself an FT86, because you're going to go nuts pulling up to a Subaru BRZ. And there you go - if Ford think they are going to get negative publicity by just redressing a GS in XR8 badges, there's the best evidence that such things are socially acceptable.


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How about you get off your high horse for a minute eh.

My point was the current GS and (Future XR8) if there is one, IMO would be too similar in spec if they were both sold, (even if its N/A)
Im happy for an XR8 thats fine but one or the other, the current GS is more Ford then FPV. So why not just rebadge the GS an XR8 and be done with it.
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So many reasons for 'it can't be done'.

What's ridiculous is the effort going in to insisting that the only affordable way of bringing an XR8 to market 'can't be done'.


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So many reasons for 'it can't be done'.

What's ridiculous is the effort going in to insisting that the only affordable way of bringing an XR8 to market 'can't be done'.


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What? Its not that it cant be done, its jut not going to make any difference.

Xr8 buyers are not buying the gs has nothing to do with the fact that its fpv. Its all about its entry price or a v8 falcon.

Fpv insist on not having options on the gs because they would rather move gt's. So not only do they annoy xr8 buyers by having the entry price high, they also tick off the gs buyer by saying they cant even option brembos on a car thats mechanically the same as a gt.

It seems that fpv and ford are playing games and no one is really winning.

Dumping miami in a xr8 is the easy way out, and i conceed it makes more financial sense. But thats what an accountant will tell you, i dont think it fits the true xr8 buyer at that price point and it would dilute what makes buying a fpv special, something different.
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Fpv insist on not having options on the gs because they would rather move gt's. So not only do they annoy xr8 buyers by having the entry price high, they also tick off the gs buyer by saying they cant even option brembos on a car thats mechanically the same as a gt.

It seems that fpv and ford are playing games and no one is really winning.
so you want to option up your GS to be like a GT? just buy a GT. people often seem to forget that car manufacturers need to try to sell their whole range of products, not just a few. as you go up the line with the models, each one will be slightly more desireable than the one below it, and it also comes with a more premium price tag.

the main beef on here is that people want a v8 falcon but can't afford a GS so then they whinge. go buy yourself a $40k commodore then. if car makers make a desireable product, it will sell. sales of GS are higher than XR8 was and its $10k more. thats a big win for ford/fpv right there.

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how cool is that.. a supercharged XR8..........
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Not agreeing with anybody but didn`t toyota do it with the Camry and the Avanti or some crap. Same body just different engine.
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yeah, what luxo crap? lol it's pov spec
Maybe luxo isn't the right word.... and maybe I'm a bit old school here, but the thing weighs 1,844 kg according to specs, there must be some fat that can be trimmed here, I just personally don't feel the need for six airbags in a car that fits five people.... (yeah I know, that might affect their holy grail ANCAP rating) how about losing the supercharger and substitute some CF or other lightweight materials so its leaner and meaner?? Just a theory.
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Maybe luxo isn't the right word.... and maybe I'm a bit old school here, but the thing weighs 1,844 kg according to specs, there must be some fat that can be trimmed here, I just personally don't feel the need for six airbags in a car that fits five people.... (yeah I know, that might affect their holy grail ANCAP rating) how about losing the supercharger and substitute some CF or other lightweight materials so its leaner and meaner?? Just a theory.
nooffense but most of that is way off reality...im allmost possitive those things just arent FPVs thing right now. They are more likely to progress to more refinement with running gear suspension and aero....these are just the simple things cars in this segment do well to do well at. Deff not carbonfibre and perception of dangerous driving. As it is most of us know that the falcon has been designed allready with far superior rear safety then its competitors...so that tends to hint that ford likes attending the big issues.
I just think its way to easy for people to make all these assumptions in hindsight....I MEAN THERE WASNT A SINGLE PERSON WHO SAID EARLIER THAT FORD SHOULD MAKE A GS AND AN XR8 REBADGES AND A GT
I think ford are just doing their best to keep te falcon alive and at the top of its game...taking risks...which what some of u are hinting at just isnt smart buisiness...even if it seems smart.
aybe if they had MORE MARKET CONFIDENCE they could would and should go to town with extended lineups including xr8......its a hard one tho
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Not agreeing with anybody but didn`t toyota do it with the Camry and the Avanti or some crap. Same body just different engine.
Camry + V6=Aurion, apparently the tarted up Camry sells just fine..
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Luke your enthusiam is refreshing. Keep it up!
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