Marry the VY V6 Commodore

[tex]

A Mate brought around his new car this evening... 2500 km old Alloytec v6 auto. He took me for the allbligatiry ride and we found a quite country back road for the acceleration, handling and smoke test.
Acceleration was ordinary, with second gear in the auto taking FOREVER to wind out (and about two full seconds to perform the 2-3 upshift under acceleration). Transmission generally was lathagic and truelly had a mind of its own. Lucky to be good for a mid 16 I reckon.
Handling was o.k for a fleet pack, understeer dialled into the chassis in the twisties, tyres as per usual on taxi packs were horrible and squelled like the stuck pig....
But do you think Mary would pull a skid. Even a small screachy... no friggin chance. There was know way the V6 would / could have done it. Not against the brake any way, so off we go to find some gravel.
Yes indeed we now had wheel spin, but get it back on the black stuff and it was if Mary - the V6 went all soft.
All she did was bring the revs up to about 1950 against the stall with nothing.... accept a laboured, strained, about to poop itself type of note. And his foot was buried DEEP into the carpet. I offered to have a go, and bloody hell, he was so ****ed, he said righto ! But I could'nt do it, bloody Marry refused to have a go.... I even threatened her with a high speed roll back... by my mate had by about now admitted defeat.
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So my mate now wants to send Mary to the crap house. And then he lets on that he picked the boggodoor in faviour of an XR6...
Hmm, bet the Falcon could drop a skid.
RIP Mary. must be worth all of $22,000 now that she's been washed a few times.

[Falcon Coupe]

He should have bought a VN if all he wants is single spin burnouts, would have been cheaper.

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

He should have bought a VN if all he wants is single spin burnouts, would have been cheaper.

Hahahahaha ... and probably a half decent one at that ... shame the new Crumbledoor is so crap ... especially with the 2-3 upshift change ... even my AU ute low on gearbox fluid isn't that bad. LOL

[max^power]

Lol

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by tex

A Mate brought around his new car this evening... 2500 km old Alloytec v6 auto. He took me for the allbligatiry ride and we found a quite country back road for the acceleration, handling and smoke test.
Acceleration was ordinary, with second gear in the auto taking FOREVER to wind out (and about two full seconds to perform the 2-3 upshift under acceleration). Transmission generally was lathagic and truelly had a mind of its own. Lucky to be good for a mid 16 I reckon.
Handling was o.k for a fleet pack, understeer dialled into the chassis in the twisties, tyres as per usual on taxi packs were horrible and squelled like the stuck pig....
But do you think Mary would pull a skid. Even a small screachy... no friggin chance. There was know way the V6 would / could have done it. Not against the brake any way, so off we go to find some gravel.
Yes indeed we now had wheel spin, but get it back on the black stuff and it was if Mary - the V6 went all soft.
All she did was bring the revs up to about 1950 against the stall with nothing.... accept a laboured, strained, about to poop itself type of note. And his foot was buried DEEP into the carpet. I offered to have a go, and bloody hell, he was so ****ed, he said righto ! But I could'nt do it, bloody Marry refused to have a go.... I even threatened her with a high speed roll back... by my mate had by about now admitted defeat.
.
So my mate now wants to send Mary to the crap house. And then he lets on that he picked the boggodoor in faviour of an XR6...
Hmm, bet the Falcon could drop a skid.
RIP Mary. must be worth all of $22,000 now that she's been washed a few times.

VYs were fitted with the old 3.8 litre boat anchor. The Alloytech was introduced in the VZ model.

FF

[Lukeyson]

nice review
and yeah the new alloytec in VZ is still gutless and over rated IMO

[ECOJET]

ive only driven one BA (rental car) and that couldnt do a standstill either... its torquey low but not low enough to rip them up i found.
V8s cant be touched in this situation

[Ghiadude]

Originally Posted by ECOJET

ive only driven one BA (rental car) and that couldnt do a standstill either... its torquey low but not low enough to rip them up i found.
V8s cant be touched in this situation

i find these stories a little hard to swallow... rental, fleet car or not unless there is something mechanically amiss. My XE falc with all of a fly's fart full of torque used to a leg if you even thought about it LOL

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by tx3dude

i find these stories a little hard to swallow... rental, fleet car or not unless there is something mechanically amiss. My XE falc with all of a fly's fart full of torque used to a leg if you even thought about it LOL

Yeah same here.

My Factory EGAS AUII ute with ultra heavy Territory 17" wheels ... and kinda tired auto can at least get one wheel spinning ... just ... but it can do it.

I am sure the new VZ and BF bog stock vehicles can rip a skid without effort at all. I think it comes down to the driver at the time.

In computing terms:
PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
hee hee

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Yeah same here.

My Factory EGAS AUII ute with ultra heavy Territory 17" wheels ... and kinda tired auto can at least get one wheel spinning ... just ... but it can do it.

I am sure the new VZ and BF bog stock vehicles can rip a skid without effort at all. I think it comes down to the driver at the time.

In computing terms:
PEBKAC = Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
hee hee

Goodluck getting a BF XR6 or an SV6 to crack a wheelie with full throttle, unless your cornering or line locking them they dont do ... Theres too much traction with the 17s plus they are getting too heavy. :

[Smoke Pursuit]

Id say he means VZ not VY....

They are heap Daewoos as far as im concerned... Anyone who lowers themself to drive one either gets it for free (company car) or bought it cause their great grandfather always bought Holdens, theres nothing *good* about the car really!

[gmhdriver]

Originally Posted by ShockWaveXR6na

They are heap Daewoos as far as im concerned... Anyone who lowers themself to drive one either gets it for free (company car) or bought it cause their great grandfather always bought Holdens, theres nothing *good* about the car really!

That has got to go down as one of the most one eyed narrow minded statements I have ever read. No offence but you really need to get out more mate..
I'm sure thousands of happy and satisfied Commodore owners out there would love to disagree with you too.
Seriously, Commodores and Falcons are built to a price and a purpose and for what they are they do it extremely well. There was nothing wrong with the VY Ecotec and there is certainly nothing wrong with the Alloytec V6. The only problem that I see is that some people expect too much - they want V8 supercar performance, the ability to rev to 10,000 rpm and the ability to do burnouts like a funny car, while at the same time expect it to have the smoothness and silence of an electric motor, all from a standard base model car.
How many people go out and but a Commodore Executive and go out and run it down the track or do burnouts in it all day or rev it to 6000rpm everywhere they go?
While the Falcon may be more refined, the difference is nowhere near as big as it cracked up to be. The Commodore is still an adequately powerful, comfortable, spacious, smooth and quiet car which does the job it is meant to extremely well, hence why people are buying them.

Most Commodore owners I have spoken to are more than happy with their cars and would buy another one without hesitation. It seems for some reason that it is Ford owners who are doing the most complaining.
I just wish that people would take their blinkers off and stop being so ignorant, one eyed and narrow minded.

[Ryan]

What ya expect from it? its just a POS V6 auto.

[SSBUB]

I think the alloytech needs a bit of refinement....its a new engine so give it time to sort out the bugs. I have never driven one so i cant comment but i have heard a lot of negativity about them.

[zetec]

Originally Posted by SSBUB

I think the alloytech needs a bit of refinement....its a new engine so give it time to sort out the bugs. I have never driven one so i cant comment but i have heard a lot of negativity about them.

For good reason. The Boss 260 and 290 didn't need "time" to sort out the bugs and the Barra 190 is a firecracker from day one. ing_sm

[fairmont1998]

Its the electronic throttles. Just because you have your foot burried does not mean the throttle is at WOT. The software knows you still have your other foot on the brake, so it just hold the throttle position where it sees fit.
Makes for pretty impressive launches when you release the brake too.

[Kenaz]

I could've told you that. We hired a VZ rental to take to Springnats and found exactly the same thing. Also, if you rev it in neutral it won't go past 4000rpm. ;)

[merlin]

FOR SALE - 1 VY V6 Commodore, used by old lady to go shopping on Sundays...

Originally Posted by Kenaz

I could've told you that. We hired a VZ rental to take to Springnats and found exactly the same thing. Also, if you rev it in neutral it won't go past 4000rpm. ;)

BA's dont go over 3000 in N or Park

[AUSGTI]

Originally Posted by BlackLS

BA's dont go over 3000 in N or Park

they Dont go over 3000 in N
but rev to rev limiter in Park

[AUIII XR8 MAN]

I think you'll find that its not a matter of it carn't, it more a case of it's not aloud to do a burn out.

[Gabbs]

You where expecting too much out of the car. If it was about a ss or a sv8 or something performance oriantated than yeah have a winge.
Im assuming this was a bog stock exective with the 175 aloytech?

[EFFalcon]

while we found the VZ coulnd't do a burnout, infact it took way too much effort to get even a hint of a burnout, one thing it did do... is skip sideways on a launch.
We found the VZ would have VS-VY's for breakfast, this was only an exec, but just planting it off the line (no stall up) would have it wheel spin for second then take off saying good buy to the rest.
dissapointed it couldn't rip standstills though.

[XD-Machine]

man i carnt spin the wheels in my xd, not even a squick but i gess i dont even no what to do and thats cause i aint overly intereted in doing a stand still. But i am surpriced how good the tyers are that i got in my wheel package but again i only have a ****y 3.3L.

Saying that i have drivin little 4 cylinders like a chino and spun the wheels in them at the lights but i think that had something to do with the wheels lol cause i also spun them in 2nd lol. i love thashing cars at work that arnt mine.

[Steffo]

Its hard to believe these 175kW 320Nm Commodores and 190kW 383Nm Falcons can't spin the wheels from the factory...

My 83kW 168Nm auto 4cyl will spin them easy with half throttle from a stand still...

But yeah, I dunno why that would bother you if you bought a new car.... surely there's more to having a brand new car then doing a burnout.

[EFFalcon]

Originally Posted by Steffo

But yeah, I dunno why that would bother you if you bought a new car.... surely there's more to having a brand new car then doing a burnout.

Are you sure you're car person?

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by EFFalcon

Are you sure you're car person?

Yep, as far as I know :

Originally Posted by Casper

Of course there is.. theres racing, modding, getting the *** to hang out and, of course, donuts! All wonderful things for new cars to experiance.

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[ClassicAU]

This is weird, i have been in almost both of the complete opposite situations. A mate of mine bought a VY Ex-Cop car V6 auto and that couldnt rip a standie unless it was wet, yet my old barge CFI EA stationwagon melted a three week old pirelli almost into a slick! But i had to pump the brakes to get it to break loose. I was told thats called bunny hopping it or something.
My AUII has also started into a stand still with just brakes and about 80% throttle. Now i dont know if it would of kept it up, nor did i want to find out, cos unlike the 15"s on the EA, the 17" pirelli's on the AU are $250 a corner! But it did start, no worries.

[gmhdriver]

Originally Posted by BargeEA

This is weird, i have been in almost both of the complete opposite situations. A mate of mine bought a VY Ex-Cop car V6 auto and that couldnt rip a standie unless it was wet, yet my old barge CFI EA stationwagon melted a three week old pirelli almost into a slick!

IRS + Traction control + more powerful rear brakes + 225 rubber.

Just because a car won't spin the wheels in the spot doesn't necessarily mean it's underpowered, just that it has more traction and resistance to wheelspin.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Steffo

But yeah, I dunno why that would bother you if you bought a new car.... surely there's more to having a brand new car then doing a burnout.

Of course there is.. theres racing, modding, getting the *** to hang out and, of course, donuts! All wonderful things for new cars to experiance.