THE 60k CHALLENGE .....

[flappist]

As we have so many car experts who know a million reasons why Ford is so bad on here I have a challenge.

Please list for me any or all NEW 5 seat full size sedans with more than 300kw available in Australia today for $60k or less.
The car must be new and covered by full factory warranty.

When you have this huge list can you cut it down to just the RWDs

Then cut it down to V8s.

Now that you have the huge list you can expand it to:

List ANY sub $60k car of any type sold in Australia EVER that demonstrated over 300kw and could do a 13 second 0-400m.

Ok trolls, on your mark, get set.........whinge.......

[DJM83]

There really isnt any if you narrow it down that much though.

[R1XSTA]

i'm actually interested in this. By the definition new, Does it have to be 2010-2011 plated? Or do you consider new by the model, IE .. FG 08-10 ..?

[auxr]

Um, ah, nup, can't do it - oh, sorry - only one make comes to mind and OMG it's a FORD, oops FPV.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by auxr

Um, ah, nup, can't do it - oh, sorry - only one make comes to mind and OMG it's a FORD, oops FPV.

Yeah... don't there is another brand that can offer those figures for under 60k.

Crysler 300c 6.1L??? Over 60 G's I'm sure.

[mik]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Yeah... don't there is another brand that can offer those figures for under 60k.

Chrysler 300c 6.1L??? Over 60 G's I'm sure.

currently time limited price for chrysler 300c is $49990 drive away.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by mik

currently time limited price for chrysler 300c is $49990 drive away.

That for the 6.1L SRT8?

[mik]

oops i was wrong............... the 300c is 5.7 l and 265 kw, the faster one the srt8 6.1and 317 kw is $69000 odd.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Least some of us still buy them.. NEW!!

[dimka100]

European cars are extremely overpriced here in Australia, in the USA 60K would get you a new M3, and 75K would get you a new 911, that’s FPV money for you!!!

In reality if European cars would sell in Australia for anything near what they are sold for in the USA, nobody in their right mind would ever purchase an Australian car, or they would have to sell for significantly less.

Also I’m struggling to understand the point to your thread as 300Kw means jack, so does rear drive in isolation … any car should be analyses and considered as a whole package, purely looking at one stat means jack. E.g. semi-trailers produce 400 – 500 kw of power and several thousand NM of torque, they are rear drive too!, that does not make them exiting cars however …

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by dimka100

Also I’m struggling to understand the point to your thread as 300Kw means jack, so does rear drive in isolation … any car should be analyses and considered as a whole package, purely looking at one stat means jack. E.g. semi-trailers produce 400 – 500 kw of power and several thousand NM of torque, they are rear drive too!, that does not make them exiting cars however …

But can they be had for 60 grand?

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by dimka100

European cars are extremely overpriced here in Australia, in the USA 60K would get you a new M3, and 75K would get you a new 911, that’s FPV money for you!!!

In reality if European cars would sell in Australia for anything near what they are sold for in the USA, nobody in their right mind would ever purchase an Australian car, or they would have to sell for significantly less.

Also I’m struggling to understand the point to your thread as 300Kw means jack, so does rear drive in isolation … any car should be analyses and considered as a whole package, purely looking at one stat means jack. E.g. semi-trailers produce 400 – 500 kw of power and several thousand NM of torque, they are rear drive too!, that does not make them exiting cars however …

The point of this thread was to say that you can only get an FPV with the conditions posted.

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Least some of us still buy them.. NEW!!

BUT will you buy another?

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by dimka100

European cars are extremely overpriced here in Australia, in the USA 60K would get you a new M3, and 75K would get you a new 911, that’s FPV money for you!!!

In reality if European cars would sell in Australia for anything near what they are sold for in the USA, nobody in their right mind would ever purchase an Australian car, or they would have to sell for significantly less.

Also I’m struggling to understand the point to your thread as 300Kw means jack, so does rear drive in isolation … any car should be analyses and considered as a whole package, purely looking at one stat means jack. E.g. semi-trailers produce 400 – 500 kw of power and several thousand NM of torque, they are rear drive too!, that does not make them exiting cars however …

1. Compared to what? Compared to overseas? We are talking about here in Australia and what you can get for the money .... here .... not there.

2.In reality ..... the reality is the price you pay for cars here as we do not pay the same as over there

3. Um .... yes? AND the big .... drum roll please .... point is ..... it means alot to many who buy in this bracket. It wouldn't matter to someone who bought a Hyundai or Toyota but in the bracket it can be more important as having 4 wheels on each corner.

In a 'Ford Forum' it is a very easy rhetorical question to ask and obviously it is very hard for many to answer ..... even with the internet so close to hand for those who might not know off the top of there heads to search and find out.

[Polyal]

Ah thats right because its all about the 0-100 and kw's.....DJM83 has nailed it...rhetorical OP/thread.

[stang65]

For some it is about the 0 to 100 and the KW`s.
Who is anybody to judge whether that is right or wrong?

This isn`t aimed at you Polyal... But when HSV had more Kw`s we had our faced rubbed in it and we were constantly viewed as the underdog. Now we have the Kw`s and Ford`s own supporters say it not about the Kw`s its about the gadgets.... Go figure ... for me it`s definately about the kilowatts and the 0 to 100 otherwise i might as well go buy a Camry.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by stang65

This isn`t aimed at you Polyal... But when HSV had more Kw`s we had our faced rubbed in it and we were constantly viewed as the underdog. Now we have the Kw`s and Ford`s own supporters say it not about the Kw`s its about the gadgets.... Go figure ... for me it`s definately about the kilowatts and the 0 to 100 otherwise i might as well go buy a Camry.

Funny, when I bought my GT-P in 2008, the less power (KW's) etc never entered the equasion, wasnt even considered. I drove the equivalent Holdungs and preferred the GT's.
If I wanted the most power etc Id have bought an F6 back then and souped it up more.. Power wasn't ever everything in my books.
As proof take a look at what I own now instead of the GT-P..

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by stang65

But when HSV had more Kw`s we had our faced rubbed in it and we were constantly viewed as the underdog. Now we have the Kw`s and Ford`s own supporters say it not about the Kw`s its about the gadgets.... Go figure ... for me it`s definately about the kilowatts and the 0 to 100 otherwise i might as well go buy a Camry.

Its because the majority of people are full of it and are never going to buy one. There is ALWAYS an excuse. Regardless of what is done it'll be it doesn't do this, or it doesn't do that, or fuel prices gone up or the salesman didn't know the product, blah blah blah.....

[GT69]

What makes the euro so good? The badge I'm guessing and the price associated with it. God they have terrible looking interiors, honestly, google your poison then look at the FG, If you still think a c63 or M5 has a better 'looking' interior, go get your head read. I work in a psych hospital, I'll make your bookings. Would you like river views or golf course views?

Oh and GS is the only answer.

And well, F6 depending on your dealer (yeah yeah not a V8 meh) 2 offerings, 1 dealer. Kgo.

[b0son]

GS.

what's your point? is 300kW some magic number above which a car is awesome? is $60k the magic pricepoint below which cars are considered cheap?

Is the GS still <$60k if I splash out on the FPV floormats? the *optional in a $60k car* floormats? LOL. even my poofy hatch came with those.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by b0son

GS.

what's your point? is 300kW some magic number above which a car is awesome? is $60k the magic pricepoint below which cars are considered cheap?

He's from the country...

Flap,

The majority of car buying public live in the city....300kw is not the be all and end all nore is RWD....add comfort, build quality, resale, after sales service etc etc etc.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Stefan

He's from the country...

Flap,

The majority of car buying public live in the city....300kw is not the be all and end all nore is RWD....add comfort, build quality, resale, after sales service etc etc etc.

Yep ... that's why Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, etc are doing so well because the majority don't give a toss. But ... believe it or not ..... there is a market for 300 plus cars which is fairly obvious to HSV and FPV. Have a look around here and LS1 and the most prominent and constant topics on these sites. "How do I make make my Festiva go faster?" If there wasn't an emphasis on the power stakes, both these 2 (and AMG etc) should just pack up shop now. They believe it is important enough to put a bloody big sticker on the *** of them!

YES ..... we have choices. Great aint it but if these cars are not what tickles your fancy, buy the Camry, i30, Corolla, Landcruiser, G6ET ... what ever but no need to poo poo other peoples likes because it doesn't suit. If a Focus is the requirement ....GREAT If you want something for bragging rights for under 60k ..... GREAT

If the GS was 250kw and was $45,000 ....... wonder what the conversation would be ..... if the GS had leather, sat nav, 315kw, electric seats, seat warmers, touch screen, lip stick holder and was 90k I wonder what the conversation would be ..... One thing I know it would end in tears because someone would say it doesn't suit them so they are crap and no one should buy them because of the their reasons.

As far after sales service ..... don't worry .... they are all the same ...... as far as resale .... they are all so similar (the big cars) ..... as far as quality ...... they ALL have their issues.

Originally Posted by BOson

I'm pleased for you that you're in the position to call $60k cut price.

I would say it is very reasonable for what you get ...... but not lets get back into this arguement as what is important for you is not the same for everyone else ....... do you get this point or not??????? You like your near 50k pocket rocket .... once again ... GREAT As far as for me goes .... it isn't for me but I don't go bagging it out!

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

it isn't for me but I don't go bagging it out!

questioning the price is a far cry from bagging it out. i dont recall ever calling it a crap car.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by b0son

questioning the price is a far cry from bagging it out. i dont recall ever calling it a crap car.

Yeah ... probably a little over the top. The "Sub par" comments, over priced ... bad leather etc gets a little monotonous but then opinions is what we are all about

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

But ... believe it or not ..... there is a market for 300 plus cars which is fairly obvious to HSV and FPV.

Damn skippy there is - take at look at what Europe has to offer... its just with the rediculous markup on Aus imports, we dont have alot of reasonably priced models to choose from.

$60kish for FPV,HSV/Chrysler is pretty good with what comes under the hood...

For import markup:

Take a Porsche 911 Carrera for eg:
Porsche USA: $79,000 ($75,049 AUD)
Porsche Aus: $239,370

Take a Merc SL Roadster:
MB UK: £63,555 ($97,688 AUD)
MB Aus: $259,183

Im not comparing HSVs/FPVs with Porsche and MB products, but for what we get to play with for at least under $100k, we are pretty limited....

[Franco Cozzo]

The $60K asking price for them would taste a bit better if the cars came completely optioned up, for example, LTD interiors or something.

I wouldn't pay $60K for the car just because it has over 300KW, pretty useless in a road going car.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

The $60K asking price for them would taste a bit better if the cars came completely optioned up, for example, LTD interiors or something.

.......... then it wouldn't be 60k? Can you remember what a BA LTD was .... a bit more than 60k.

Originally Posted by B0son

GS.

what's your point? is 300kW some magic number above which a car is awesome? is $60k the magic pricepoint below which cars are considered cheap?

It is one hell of a start though isn't it!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

.......... then it wouldn't be 60k? Can you remember what a BA LTD was .... a bit more than 60k.

No idea, but for $60K, particularily in 2011 it would be nice to have factory HIDs, full leather interior with a decent sized touch screen system that can play DVDs etc.

That Ford MySync or what ever it is should be a factory standard thing in FPV's range I reckon.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

No idea, but for $60K, particularily in 2011 it would be nice to have factory HIDs, full leather interior with a decent sized touch screen system that can play DVDs etc.

That Ford MySync or what ever it is should be a factory standard thing in FPV's range I reckon.

Would be great but with FG's built on shoe string budgets and not importing an engine some of the gadgets admitedly have taken a back seat. Dont forget though, there will be FG11.

I do remember not that long ago there was some heated discussions when 'everyone' wanted a back to basics ball tearer ...... they got it and then asked for heated seats .....

[DJM83]

I dont really think it (GS) is a bad car, its just peoples buying habits are shifting. The car id buy for 60k doesnt fit the criteria

[mik]

some on here never miss an opportunity to to sling mud , and its nearly always the same people